Trevor Shackles: Senators Prospect Trends: Biggest Risers and Fallers Which prospects have been trending up or down the most?

While I'm glad to see mention of the seasons that Daccord and Crookshank have been having in the NCAA, I'm not sure that they overshadow what players like White and Brown have accomplished. White has gone from struggling to produce in just 21GP last season, to being a scoring line fixture this year (even before the big trades). People talk about how much Tkachuk learned from playing with Stone, but I would argue that White may have learned just as much. Brown, on the other hand, went from an injury-plagued final two seasons in the OHL and limited ice time to start the year in Belleville, to being part of one of the most productive lines in the AHL, and a top-10 rookie in terms of scoring. Many people had even written Brown off as a top prospect earlier in the year, so I think having him back in the fray as a potential blue chip prospect is not something to understate.

I certainly can't disagree with Tkachuk, Batherson, and JBD getting nods for their excellent seasons. My biggest honourable mention would be for Josh Norris (now emerging as a much better prospect than many believed when the Karlsson trade happened), and Marcus Hogberg (who has gone from an almost unknown status to helping lead the playoff charge for Belleville, and looking like a prime candidate for regular NHL time next season).

Any chance Crawford will see the positives of Nick Paul? He has been great when called up and not in the press box. I watched him play in Belleville and he was able to drive possession and create chances whenever he stepped on the ice.

Any chance Crawford will see the positives of Nick Paul? He has been great when called up and not in the press box. I watched him play in Belleville and he was able to drive possession and create chances whenever he stepped on the ice.
- ktownfan

one of the main reasons why I want Mann to be the coach next year is because he's seen the young kids first hand, he knows who plays well together, and is likely more willing to give guys like Paul, Wolanin, Chalapik, etc, a fair look....rather than making them healthy scratches or giving them 7 minutes per game of 4th line/3rd pairing time.

he's also likely not going to unnecessarily give extra minutes to plugs like harpur or Ceci......and if he does, then we likely know that it's done because of pressure from management, not incompetent coaching.

one of the main reasons why I want Mann to be the coach next year is because he's seen the young kids first hand, he knows who plays well together, and is likely more willing to give guys like Paul, Wolanin, Chalapik, etc, a fair look....rather than making them healthy scratches or giving them 7 minutes per game of 4th line/3rd pairing time.

he's also likely not going to unnecessarily give extra minutes to plugs like harpur or Ceci......and if he does, then we likely know that it's done because of pressure from management, not incompetent coaching.
- sensarmy_11

Personally, I love how Harpur's game has developed. Given his size, if he gets aggressive like he did in the minors he should be quite good.

Ceci, still has a ton of value, especially if used properly. But I think it's time for a fresh start on another team, Ottawa should do a sign and trade on him in the summer.

Wolanin is looking good and I 100% agree that Paul should be given a shot.

I watched Chlapik play with the Charlottetown Islanders. Everyone seemed to think Sprong was the stand out on that team but Chlapik for me stood out every game. Especially in the 2016-2017 season

Personally, I love how Harpur's game has developed. Given his size, if he gets aggressive like he did in the minors he should be quite good.

Ceci, still has a ton of value, especially if used properly. But I think it's time for a fresh start on another team, Ottawa should do a sign and trade on him int he summer.

Wolanin is looking good and I 100% agree that Paul should be given a shot.

I watched Chlapik play with the Charlottetown Islanders. Everyone seemed to think Sprong was the stand out on that team but Chlapik for me stood out every game. Especially in the 2016-2017 season
- Maverick1818

not poopting on anyone's opinions, but I definitely disagree with your first 2 points.

Harpur is physical, sure, but he's also incredibly slow....both physically, as well as his ability to process what's going on around him. he's often out of position, panics with the puck and gives it away all the time....I don't think he's an NHL calibre dman

Ceci, well I think I've made my opinion on him pretty clear here, numerous times. the guy is AWFUL. there is nothing about his game I can comment on in a positive way. zero hockey IQ, average skating at best, zero physicality, terrible passing, worst possession player in the league......I could to on and on and on and on about how awful he is. whether you look at advanced stats, traditional stats, the eye test....ceci is absolutely one of the worst dmen in the entire league.

I would be happier than a pig in poop if they just didn't even make him a qualifying offer and let him walk for free. for 2 years now there has been all this speculation that other teams are calling about him, I call B.S. if other teams were calling about him, there is ZERO chance he'd still be on this team right now. I think the sens are trying to drum up interest in him so they can get something for him, but I don't think there are any takers. they just need to let him go now before he gets to Cowen levels of worthless and we actually have to take a bad asset back just to get rid of him.

not poopting on anyone's opinions, but I definitely disagree with your first 2 points.

Harpur is physical, sure, but he's also incredibly slow....both physically, as well as his ability to process what's going on around him. he's often out of position, panics with the puck and gives it away all the time....I don't think he's an NHL calibre dman

Ceci, well I think I've made my opinion on him pretty clear here, numerous times. the guy is AWFUL. there is nothing about his game I can comment on in a positive way. zero hockey IQ, average skating at best, zero physicality, terrible passing, worst possession player in the league......I could to on and on and on and on about how awful he is. whether you look at advanced stats, traditional stats, the eye test....ceci is absolutely one of the worst dmen in the entire league.

I would be happier than a pig in poop if they just didn't even make him a qualifying offer and let him walk for free. for 2 years now there has been all this speculation that other teams are calling about him, I call B.S. if other teams were calling about him, there is ZERO chance he'd still be on this team right now. I think the sens are trying to drum up interest in him so they can get something for him, but I don't think there are any takers. they just need to let him go now before he gets to Cowen levels of worthless and we actually have to take a bad asset back just to get rid of him.
- sensarmy_11

haha it's fine to disagree, that's what makes for good hockey talk

I disagree on Harpur but I think when it comes to Harpur, it's an angry intensity type of thing. When he's pissed off, he might as well be Chara.

It's not a top line guy by any means but I think he is a good bottom pairing D. I'd give him more of the benefit of the doubt than a guy like say "Boro"

Ceci, When I said he still has value. I think teams have been calling about him willing to take on the risk for his potential he showed when he was younger. But I also think that management has this kind of blind faith in him for some reason and that's why he hasn't been traded.

Before the Duchene coming to Ottawa deal had been done there was tons of reports that Edmonton offered Taylor Hall (before being traded to Jersey) and that Colorado had offered Tyson Barrie.

Both of which would have been unbelievable trades for Ottawa. But PD doesn't have the ability to make it happen. He's good at scouting but that's it.

I watched Chlapik play with the Charlottetown Islanders. Everyone seemed to think Sprong was the stand out on that team but Chlapik for me stood out every game. Especially in the 2016-2017 season
- Maverick1818

This was the same feeling that I got with watching Stone play in Brandon, who I got to see playing against the Vancouver Giants a few times, even before he was drafted. Most people were paying attention to Brayden Schenn and Scott Glennie, who were both top-10 draft picks... but Stone really stood out, especially defensively. When he started to pile on the scoring in his final two years, he was absolutely dominant.

As for Chlapik, he seems like a bit of a forgotten man in the system. He had just as much of a look in the NHL as White last year, and he was the one that started the season playing with Batherson in Belleville, which was one of the most productive lines in the AHL. If he can transition to playing the wing and work on his two-way game, there will hopefully be a role for him soon in the NHL.

The questions we must really ask is: Do these prospects look like they will present the Senators fans with "unparalleled success" or are they just you know... purdy good.

This was the same feeling that I got with watching Stone play in Brandon, who I got to see playing against the Vancouver Giants a few times, even before he was drafted. Most people were paying attention to Brayden Schenn and Scott Glennie, who were both top-10 draft picks... but Stone really stood out, especially defensively. When he started to pile on the scoring in his final two years, he was absolutely dominant.

As for Chlapik, he seems like a bit of a forgotten man in the system. He had just as much of a look in the NHL as White last year, and he was the one that started the season playing with Batherson in Belleville, which was one of the most productive lines in the AHL. If he can transition to playing the wing and work on his two-way game, there will hopefully be a role for him soon in the NHL.
- khawk

For a long time I wanted Brayden Schenn on Ottawa. At the time our top two lines would have been......
Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Schenn - Stone - Dzingel

Karlsson - Dion
Chabot - Ceci

Would have been such a good 1-2 punch

The questions we must really ask is: Do these prospects look like they will present the Senators fans with "unparalleled success" or are they just you know... purdy good.
- TDBSenatoR

I think we have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league, which goes to show how good PD is at scouting.

Where we will have trouble is keeping them and trying to have that "Unparalleled success" without any top line players.

The best teams that seem to win multiple cups have their star players in top 6 roles at their top of their careers and vets leading by example and young guys who happen to click at the right time.

Ottawa doesn't really super stars or really solid vets.

We had the super star players in Hoffman, Duchene, Stone, etc

While I'm glad to see mention of the seasons that Daccord and Crookshank have been having in the NCAA, I'm not sure that they overshadow what players like White and Brown have accomplished. White has gone from struggling to produce in just 21GP last season, to being a scoring line fixture this year (even before the big trades). People talk about how much Tkachuk learned from playing with Stone, but I would argue that White may have learned just as much. Brown, on the other hand, went from an injury-plagued final two seasons in the OHL and limited ice time to start the year in Belleville, to being part of one of the most productive lines in the AHL, and a top-10 rookie in terms of scoring. Many people had even written Brown off as a top prospect earlier in the year, so I think having him back in the fray as a potential blue chip prospect is not something to understate.

I certainly can't disagree with Tkachuk, Batherson, and JBD getting nods for their excellent seasons. My biggest honourable mention would be for Josh Norris (now emerging as a much better prospect than many believed when the Karlsson trade happened), and Marcus Hogberg (who has gone from an almost unknown status to helping lead the playoff charge for Belleville, and looking like a prime candidate for regular NHL time next season).
- khawk

Browns had some bad luck with injuries, and has certianly bnounced around people's projections. He seems to be pulling it together, he has the size and skill to be a force, his knock is his skating. But weve had other guys turn into stars before in that regard. Curious to see if he can make the team out of camp.

Norris has excited me too. Wasy disappointed to see him get injured. Hopefully he could start the season as one of the top guys in belleville next year.

I’m always surprised Brown and Chalpik seemed to get lost in the shuffle in the prospect talk. I don’t think their development this year leaps out but next year to me would be the season to see if they can actually be solid building pieces.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t feel the Sens prospects are that strong overall. There is just more emphasis on them now that this team is basically just prospects.

Next two drafts are extremely important for the franchise. If done right, 3/4 of the prospects we’ve talked about this year will be obsolete.

I’m always surprised Brown and Chalpik seemed to get lost in the shuffle in the prospect talk. I don’t think their development this year leaps out but next year to me would be the season to see if they can actually be solid building pieces.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t feel the Sens prospects are that strong overall. There is just more emphasis on them now that this team is basically just prospects.

Next two drafts are extremely important for the franchise. If done right, 3/4 of the prospects we’ve talked about this year will be obsolete.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

The Sens have a good prospect pool (IMO).If I recall it was ranked 10-11 before the deadline. So after the additions, it's good, but not great.

Some good opportunity to add some strong pieces this draft. I wouldn't be surprised if Dorion trades up if Columbus' pick falls down enough.

It's relatively impressive that Dorion was able to sign Max Veronneau, who was one of the most sought-after NCAA free agents.
https://www.silversevense...-princetons-max-veronneau

Now this could just be the latest version of the Bobby Butler/Cole Schneider show... but it shows that opportunity for ice time is still a compelling factor in players looking to sign with NHL teams. He's also an Ottawa native, which always holds an unusual amount of sway with team management.

I'd really like to see Dorion also take a run at Joseph Duszak, who's an offensive-minded RHD that's leading the NCAA in d-man scoring.
https://www.blueshirtbant...e-josh-wilkins-joe-duszak

The RHD position is so unbelievably weak on this team, they will really need all the help they can get.